Leadership Lessons From Amy Grant
I recently attended a conference called Re:Create at the national capitol of Christian culture, Nashville, Tennessee. It was a small gathering of “worship & arts” pastors of primarily large churches. The first night began with a dinner sponsored by a large, CCM (Contemporary Christian Music) record label. We ate dinner while the label put on a showcase of their latest and greatest “worship” artists. It was kind like a worship music VH1 Storytellers where each guy told the story of their song and then played it (solo acoustic style of course). This went on for almost 2 hours.
As my ADD began to kick in full force I began to feel like the poor kid with the chunky taped together glasses who always gets picked last for the basketball team because he runs the wrong way whenever he gets the ball. I felt like the only one who just didn’t get it. As a good Baptist kid, it felt like the first time I went to a Lutheran church; everyone knew the music and when to stand and say, “and also with you,” except me.
But then, out nowhere, my evening was redeemed by a most unlikely savior. When the modern worship songfest finally concluded the emcee got up and introduced a very special guest: Amy Grant. I was shocked to see her as there were less than a hundred of us and, even after her “fall from grace” at her divorce and re-marriage, she is still a very popular singer/songwriter. She was backed by some top session players from the Nashville scene and they sounded great. However, more than the music, it was what she had to say and how she carried herself that was most interesting to me.
After she played a couple of songs she exhorted the group not to be discouraged if we do not always see people physically respond in worship. She said, “you have no idea where your people are coming from. The girl you see standing still in the front row may have just crawled out of bed with her boyfriend. Just being there is her act of worship. Some of your people may be just thinking, “I hope they can’t smell the pot on my coat.’ Lord knows I’ve been there.”
Later on she played a song she had been working on with her band where she put almost all of Ephesians 6 to music. She said that it was great to see up and coming songwriters creating new music for the church, “all those songs are fine and good but scripture is where the real power is. There is no substitute for putting scripture to music.” At this point in her life she said that scripture is pretty much the only thing she cares about and the most exciting thing to her are her efforts to memorize large sections of the bible.
Now I know what you are thinking. These are not exactly thoughts that are going to change the world. I am not suggesting that Amy sGrant should write the next great book on how to lead worship that is so Spirit filled that we roll on the ground barking like Scooby Doo while our fillings turn to gold. What was so refreshing about her was that she was so authentic and real. It was realness in a Johnny Cash, King Solomon ala Ecclesiasties kind of way. In effect she said, “Look, I’ve made a lot of mistakes and messed up a lot of things and, when it’s all done, Jesus is still the only thing real to me and his word is all I can depend on.” It was refreshing and unexpected that Amy Grant would end up talking more about the importance of scripture than almost any other speaker at the conference.
As I have been thinking about my experiences that week the question that keeps coming up in my mind is, “Why was I so surprised to hear these things from Amy Grant?”
If I am honest I have to admit that I have painted the whole CCM scene with a pretty broad brush. I used to do the same thing with the “Mega Church” scene but now Mars Hill fits that category and I have a number of friends who have been profoundly helpful in my life and ministry that are involved in large churches. It’s very stylish in our current day to take shots at all aspects of the Christian establishment and I, as well as many others at Mars Hill, are guilty as any. In many ways Mars Hill was founded as a church for people who don’t think they like churches. The good news is that, in response to many of our church experiences, we have built Mars Hill with a very indigenous voice unique to Seattle that has bourn much fruit for the gospel. The bad news is, at times, this has led to self sufficiency and arrogance that has left us isolated. My experiences in Nashville helped me to see this root of arrogance in my life as I was able to connect with folks in the more mainstream Christian culture and see their hearts. Over the course of that week, what began with Amy carried on into many other conversations. I was able to spend some time with Mac Powell and Mark Lee from Third Day and hear their passion for music (both and in and out of the Church), fine wine and the Atlanta Braves.
Do I still believe there is a lot of cheese in the Christian scene? Absolutely. I think much of the scene is an ocean of Velveeta but is that any different than the greater mainstream of pop music? You always have to wade through the cheese to find remarkable music to connect with.
Am I rushing out to get the latest WOW Worship CD so I can get some real “Christian” music into our catalog in time for Easter? In a word: NO! I still think much of the CCM scene, and particularly the current emphasis on “modern worship”, is little more than the record labels waking up to the fact that they have a captive audience Sunday mornings with little musical and theological discernment. They are serving up corporate worship “your way, right away” and laughing all the way to bank.
However, in the middle of all the commerce, marketing and culture wars, there are some wonderful worshippers of Jesus trying to sort it out like the rest of us. It is important to me, as we begin a more public dialog on the greater context of worship through this blog, to emphasize that we do not believe that Mars Hill is the only church that figured this stuff out. We do not have the corner on truth, mission or contextualization. We certainly do have the corner on coolness which may, truth be told, be one of the biggest idols for the emerging/missional church movement.
My prayer is that God will make us equal to the task of discerning an appropriate response for our particular people in our particular place and time. I pray that He will give us the courage to call a spade a spade but also to walk in humility knowing that there is much to learn from those who have gone before us and walk with us. At the end of the day we are in this to see God get glory above ALL else and to see many people see His glory and worship him as their Lord and Savior. If this is not our primary motivation, then what in the world are we doing???





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You’re on the right track Tim. I will continue to pray that you grow in the grace and knowledge of how best to lead the MH worship ministry.
I have led worship for about 8 years in a couple of West Seattle churches and can only imagine the magnitude of weight upon your shoulders as you navigate through the ever deepening and unknown waters of this fast growing mutli campus Mars Hill church.
I have weighed in on several of the articles posted on this Doxologist website and am so thankful that it exists. What a great place to dialogue on the multi faceted subject of worship. I love reading books on worship, theology and apologetics and have ordered Harold M. Best’s ‘Unceasing Worship’ book.
It would be great to get your bibliography of worship related books that have impacted you the most. I love getting to the foundation of things as this is where one can really understand the big picture.
“My prayer is that God will make us equal to the task of discerning an appropriate response for our particular people in our particular place and time.”
That’s it exactly. Having had a solid background in Scripture and knowing all the “Christian lingo,” it’s easy for me to blast some things as fluff. However for the people of our congregation (Jasper, Indiana) much of the “fluff” is a learning experience and more meaty than it is for me.
This is a great blog and I love what you guys are doing in Seattle. Keep up the good work.
Tim, I am currently at a Nashville church with many of the people who are trying to “sort it out” as you said. People who do deeply want to worship Jesus. It is weird because I don’t listen to Christian radio (pretty much ever) and didn’t grow up in the Christian world…so being here in Nashville for a few years has confirmed just about everything in your post (including the Velveeta and WOW paragraphs). So now Matt Chandler has made friends with Ned Flanders and Pastor Tim is hanging with Amy Grant.
I’m glad there is still some rage against the machine - we would have no prophets among us if this ceased. Yet we also exist is a broad Christian body where all of our mess and pride flows around…we must never grow weary of repentance in our struggles.
Thanks for your site. I was out in Seattle for Resurgence and boot camp - enjoyed seeing your team serve.
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Tim, great words. Thanks for this blog and for what you and the gang at MH are doing to challenge the mainstream, inspire creativity and outside-the-box thinking. I think your thoughts on Amy Grant’s talk point to what I appreciate most about MH worship: the obvious love of Scripture and desire to put the Word on display–in our ears, on our tongues and in our memories.
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i once had the privilege of sitting in on a round-table discussion between Dan Russell (Fingerprint Records/NewSound Concerts/U2) and Miranda Stone (fiercely independent singer/songwriter/Canadian) and what i walked away with surprised me. they did not view each other as “the man” and “the rebel”. they did not see each other as “the establishment” and “indie”. they just saw each other participating in different sides of an industry that can at times be very discouraging, disappointing, confusing and disillusioning. as John J. Thompson puts it, the Christian music industry was raised by wolves. but, they see each other as allies, not that they are in agreement on everything, but that know they are ultimately on the same team. i know this is not true for everyone involved in Christian music. some are just in it for the money. some are just money-changers in the temple (especially where it concerns worship music), but to write off the whole thing would show no faith and no hope at all. God can redeem anything, and he uses ALL things for good, even CCM. ;O)
Tim, keep doing good. you (along with others) have inspired a generation of young men and women to think deep, pray long, and worship hard! keep swimming upstream, it’s where the Source is.
~a
Thanks for your great article. I have long been a fan of the CCM industry, growing up on music like Amy Grant, Michael W Smith, etc. I can listen to the “christian” radio station and know pretty much exactly who is singing even if I don’t know the song. I’m still a great fan of “christian” music. However, this year especially, I’ve been challenged in this area of music and realized there are a lot of unholy things about the industry. The myspace craze (I’m anti-myspace) and the focus on numbers and profit and record sales drives me crazy. I just received a newsletter today on one artist. It promotes making the artist more famous and receiving a larger online community under the guise of a “prayer campaign”. I was very disappointed. Though I still find a lot of CCM music inspiring and encouraging in my walk with God, I have also been introduced to a number of excellent “secular” bands by my husband who is a music director at our church. My views are being challenged, my worldview is expanding even more, and my desire to glorify only God is becoming stronger and stronger. I know God will still use CCM in huge ways but my eyes are opened to the “red flags” as well. Thank you.